Jesse Ventura Sets Sights on Wife of Slain Navy SEAL Chris Kyle

In my opinion, the actions of Jesse Ventura are classless and dishonorable.  Chris Kyle is an American Hero and his wife Taya, an amazing woman.  The Kyles have both sacrificed for many amazing selfless causes.  Move on Ventura!

Ventura claims that damages from slain ex-SEAL Chris Kyle’s “American Sniper” continue.

Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura is setting his legal sights on the widow of a former Navy SEAL he had sued for defamation.

Lawyers for Ventura have asked a federal court to continue his lawsuit against Chris Kyle — who was killed in February by a young veteran he was mentoring — by substituting Kyle’s wife, Taya, as the defendant. Ventura last year sued Kyle, a decorated former SEAL and author of “American Sniper,” claiming that the book’s description of a California bar fight defamed him.

On Wednesday, Taya Kyle’s attorney filed a response to the motion, writing that Ventura’s move “comes as a disappointment, but no surprise.”

“Continuing this action will serve no useful purpose,” wrote Kyle’s attorney, John Borger of Minneapolis, “and likely will promote public perception of Jesse Ventura as someone who has little or no regard for the feelings and welfare of surviving family members of deceased war heroes.”

Read more on this story here. 

About the Author

Chris is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, 18-Delta Combat Medic, and SEAL Sniper. His career included tours with SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team Two and SEAL Team Two in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. You can follow him on Twitter @Chris_Hagerman.

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tdrolson
tdrolson

Jesse Ventura talks like a dummy. always has. what do you expect from him.

abutom
abutom

YOU KNOW THERE IS A WAR ON? IT IS NOT GOING AWAY. MOST LIKELY IT WILL GO NUCLEAR. THIS IS A 100 YEAR WAR. MANY INNOCENT WILL DIE JUST LIKE ALL THE VICTIMS WHO WERE IMMOLATED WHEN THE CLINTON TOWERS CAME DOWN. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST WAR FOUGHT ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 1812. WE WILL GO FROM 3,247 FUNERALS IN NEW YORK TO MASS GRAVES.WITH CATAPILLAR BURIALS. THE ONLY ONES WHO REALIZE THERE IS A WAR ON ARE THOSE WHO FIGHT IT. VENTURA DID THE WRONG THING FOR THE WRONG REASON. HE SHOULD WATCH THE MOVIE BEAU GESTE.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/spiritofamericapartybook/2015/01/24/president-fruit-loops-loses-the-world-and-outer-space?

tonyskala
tonyskala

GernBlansten- you just copied that from Salon.com 7 Heinous lies "American Sniper is telling. Although I fact checked the first 5, 6,7 and they are actually true, you do a dis-service to yourself and the larger discussion about this fellow. At least credit the source.

Look to the rest of you guys and gals here, most rational level headed people are not questioning the sacrifice Mr. Kyle made to the U.S. In all verifiable measures, it far exceeds any contribution most of us have made on our own. Most cases I would say on an order of 10 times. But Mr. Kyle was not perfect and those imperfections do not in any way diminish his service or contribution regardless of your option of the war. 

The fact remains that folks here calling for Mr. Ventura's head because of a lack of respect of brethren and such, well the inverse argument can be made of Mr. Kyle. He should have just been truthful about his interaction with Mr. Ventura. Mr. Kyle was still badassed even with that part missing.

It has nothing to do with Mr. Kyles widow. It has everything to do with Mr. Kyles book indicating he knocked out Mr. Ventura and then selling more copies of the book because of the false incident. It is the exact definition of Liable. Regardless of your opinion of Mr. Ventura and his views his reputation has been further damaged, as evidenced by the comments in this blog. 

And to the Nay sayers of saying Mr. Ventura was not a seal, Well I refer you to one of your own who has made a large point of pointing out fakes and the such and is in several circles consider the far most expert in this area. If Senior Chief Don Shipley says Mr. Ventura is a seal, I am inclined to believe him. 

In closing, lets agree Mr. Kyles death was horrible, Mr. Kyle’s service was awesome, Mr. Kyle embellished a story about knocking out Mr. Ventura, and that the situation meets the very definition of liable , That most of you think even more poorly of Mr. Ventura because he sued the estate of Mr. Kyle, and that further validates the point that Mr. Ventura has been harmed. And that some of us from time to time, might overstate things we are proud of, and understate things we are not proud of.

That being said, to all of you out there in the suck…. Please stay safe

GernBlansten
GernBlansten

Fuck Kyle. You D-bags will support anyone on your team NO MATTER WHAT.

No wonder this country is going down the toilet!

FU!


. The Film Suggests the Iraq War Was In Response To 9/11: One way to get audiences to unambiguously support Kyle’s actions in the film is to believe he’s there to avenge the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The movie cuts from Kyle watching footage of the attacks to him serving in Iraq, implying there is some link between the two.


2. The Film Invents a Terrorist Sniper Who Works For Multiple Opposing Factions: Kyle’s primary antagonist in the film is a sniper named Mustafa. Mustafa is mentioned in a single paragraph in Kyle’s book, but the movie blows him up into an ever-present figure and Syrian Olympic medal winner who fights for both Sunni insurgents in Fallujah and the Shia Madhi army.

3. The Film Portrays Chris Kyle as Tormented By His Actions: Multiple scenes in the movie portray Kyle as haunted by his service. One of the film’s earliest reviews praised it for showing the “emotional torment of so many military men and women.” But that torment is completely absent from the book the film is based on. In the book, Kyle refers to everyone he fought as “savage, despicable” evil. He writes, “I only wish I had killed more.” He also writes, “I loved what I did. I still do. If circumstances were different – if my family didn’t need me – I’d be back in a heartbeat. I’m not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun. I had the time of my life being a SEAL.” On an appearance on Conan O’Brien’s show he laughs about accidentally shooting an Iraqi insurgent. He once told a military investigator that he doesn’t “shoot people with Korans. I’d like to, but I don’t.”
4. The Real Chris Kyle Made Up A Story About Killing Dozens of People In Post-Katrina New Orleans: Kyle claimed that he killed 30 people in the chaos of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, a story Louisiana writer Jarvis DeBerry calls “preposterous.” It shows the sort of mentality post-war Kyle had, but the claim doesn’t appear in the film.

5. The Real Chris Kyle Fabricated A Story About Killing Two Men Who Tried To Carjack Him In Texas: Kyle told numerous people a story about killing two alleged carjackers in Texas. Reporters tried repeatedly to verify this claim, but no evidence of it exists.

6. Chris Kyle Was Successfully Sued For Lying About the Former Governor of Minnesota: Kyle alleged that former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura defamed Navy SEALs and got into a fight with him at a local bar. Ventura successfully sued Kyle for the passage in his book, and a jury awarded him $1.845 million.

7. Chris Kyle’s Family Claimed He Donated His Book Proceeds To Veterans’ Charity, But He Kept Most Of The Profits: The National Review debunks the claim that all proceeds of his book went to veterans’ charities. Around 2 percent – $52,000 – went to the charities while the Kyles pocketed $3 million.

SocratesMentor
SocratesMentor

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/?tid=pm_national_pop


It looks as if Jesse got his wish.

We can now only hope that he feels he's made his point and chooses not to collect.

That would be the honorable thing to do.


If he chooses to collect, I can only say whatever damage to his reputation and income he stated in the lawsuit will now pale in comparison to the tarnish he will now have on his name, reputation and income potential now and in the future.


It seems our legal system has fallen on it's own sword, where those tasked with the responsibility of ruling on this decision were held to 'letter of the law' to something that was unverifiable, instead of 'spirit of the law'... and the widow and the children of a fallen hero are the true victims.


Our hearts go out to Taya Kyle and family, for her loving support and activism with her Chris Kyle Frog Foundation (The skeleton of a frog is the symbol for a fallen Navy SEAL) whose mission is to "serve those who serve us by providing meaningful interactive experiences that enrich family relationships"


To our brother, a man that splashed more baddies in real life than most MARVEL characters do in fiction.


meocyber9855
meocyber9855

Hello gentlemen.  My name's Mitch Offutt. I was a USN crypto tech- operations.  Firstly, thanks for taking my itel and making it count.  Next, Jesse leave PO kyle's widow the hell alone. You're looking like the 'roids are corroding your mental faculties.  Excellent tale of a gutsy gutsy man.  Bravo zulu gentlemen. Thanks.

SocratesMentor
SocratesMentor

Jesse was UDT not SEAL, but still a brother frogman.  Even though he has touted being a SEAL.  Nobody has sued the former governor for that or charged him with what is now a felony (misrepresenting military rank or position for the purpose of gain...i.e. public office, talk show income, etc) most likely because none of us feel it's important enough to chase him down for it, because we already know who is who.


Yet the legal system lets him chase money for what is now a frivolous lawsuit against our beloved brother's widow.


Jesse, your reputation was already tarnished when you started chasing extraterrestrials on 'Reality' TV.


Yeah, that made us proud too. ;)


BOTTOM LINE: If Jesse ever accomplished 10% of what Chris did in his service career, we as we always do, would have stepped back and let them sort their own shit out between men.


But knowing the fact Jesse hasn't and nor any of us for that fact, and still chooses to let his ego and mouth write checks his ass will never be able to cash only cause some if not all of us to have our stomachs turned and hearts saddened.


If he walks away now, we could one day soon shake our heads and laugh about this as a memory of a brother that momentarily lost his head, as we all have and move on.  If he continues, he will always live and be remembered for his infamy and the mark he left on us.


Even in battle we have more respect for those we have had to despatch for believing in their cause no matter how twisted and wrong they were than he has shown his own.

underway
underway

This is CRAP. As a veteran of the U.S. Navy this litigation sickens me. If Mr. Ventura is such a "tough guy" a simple ass kicking from one of his brothers should not be a big problem. To attack the estate and memory of a brother is inexcusable. Put the Tampons back in the box. Man up and put things in perspective. As of now I am proud of every SEAL with the exception of one!

SocratesMentor
SocratesMentor

Hard to believe he was one of our own.  There was a time when anyone that made it through BUD/S whether or not you made the TEAMS or went UDT, etc. understood that in the brotherhood we never turned on our own.  Whether we liked them or not. They were our brothers, their families are OUR families to watch over and protect should one of us fall.


Ventura's actions against Kyle's family is tantamount to treason against our country.

While the TEAMS grew out of a reputation of silent warriors, how they choose to live their lives afterward, provided they do not disclose classified information that would cause harm to those presently serving is really up to them.


There are many CMH's that both live quietly and those that wear their medal to breakfast Denny's.

I am proud of both for their service and sacrifice, as I am to everyone that ever passed bud's and beyond.


Jesse needs to rethink his actions against one of our/his own.


Be a man Jesse, Kyle has served and is now gone.  Regardless of what you do to him and his family his name will live on.


You on the other hand, will only serve to be reduced to the level of one who beats women and children and truly a coward that lives off of your own ego at their expense.

Have you forgot that you were once part of something that eliminated the bullies of the world?


Do you really need the money that bad?


Why not take on one of us older Freddies or Sammies in the wrestling arena like men.

We'd be happy to oblige you, and maybe knock whatever evil spirit that lurks within you... out.

actionman1008
actionman1008

Tonyskala said it best. Mr. Ventura's reputation was damaged indeed. I'm sorry for Kyle's family and despite all his heroism the fact remained that he lied about hitting Mr. Ventura outside of the pub. Mr. Kyle put his family inthis predicament. Once you're discovered in a lie everything elseis questionable.

nklevens3
nklevens3

Kyle saved Marines lives, while Ventura cried a cover up about 911. And Kyle kicked his on the street. A jury ? Look at OJ.

nklevens3
nklevens3

A real man is furthest thing Ventura is. A jury ? Like the OJ case. Chris Kyle saved countless Marines in Iraq when he left his roof top to fight with them on the ground, door to door, house to house, then went back to the roof and would not allow any of the enemy to get near a Maine in '04 [05 to 06 [can't recall in American Sniper] and traveled from Kuwait in '03 protecting their advance. .

tonyskala
tonyskala

I am really surprised on some of the comments on this blog. There really are quite a few people on here doing blind hero worship.


Full disclosure, I am not a Navy man. I was a CH-47 pilot in the Army and flew you guys around a few times out there. My hat goes off to you because you guys did physical things my body just could not do. I had a few of you guys in my jump class at Bragg and you were all top physical guys.


Now as for Mr. Kyle, lets agree that he was a hell of a guy and a hell of a sailor. But that does not mean everything he did was saintly. The thing a lot of you are missing is that a trail did in fact happen and Mr. Kyle did give a disposition in it. In advance of his death. A jury came to the conclusion that this fight never happened, and that Mr. Ventura's reputation was harmed, and that Mr. Kyle's book did have increased sales because of this incident. The fact that Mr. Kyle is no longer with us is not relevant. Mr. Kyle's book continues to make money and did not cease to make money at his passing. It makes money for his estate. So it is his estate being sued.


Mrs. Kyle, not that you are reading this but  in spite of it all I am extremely sorry for your loss. I did not know your husband, but he seemed like a decent guy. I hope you are left with nothing but cherished memories of him when you think about him. And those memories bring you joy in the face of such a terrible loss.


Mr. Ventura, From reading this blog I understand why you need to bring suit against Mr. Kyle's estate. At the conclusion of this what I anticipate will be a victory, I hope you take the money you spent on lawyer fees and then make a public show of giving the rest of the money to wounded warriors. That would be a class act. And I do think you have a deep respect for service members. Even if they are not in the Navy.


In closing, I hope all you guys manage to stay safe no matter what you are doing.


Tony

Northennfox49
Northennfox49

Unless he is desperate for money, surely let the matter drop now a hero is dead (leaving a family) or is this the true American way.... Everything is about the dollar sign :-(

HelderWit
HelderWit

Kyle's ol lady wants her fifteen, that's all. She has probably already done fifty guys since hubby departed. The truth is SEALS are not supposed to come out or brag, and he made a terrible decision giving a loaded gun to a whacko I don't care where he served. Those of us that did serve are content to have done so without trying to capitalize on it.

SeanOneill
SeanOneill

Ventura was never trained as a Navy SEAL! He was trained in Underwater Demolitions and was incorporated into the Navy SEALS in the 1970s. You stupid phucking fairy!!

SeanOneill
SeanOneill

Ventura never went through Navy SEAL training. He was in UDT (Underwater Demolition Tech) who's group was incorporated into the Navy SEALS in the 1970s, you stupid dick brain!

normklevens
normklevens

And you know most soldiers ? You and Ventura can take your $hit and put it where the sub does not shine.

warrren1234567
warrren1234567

Most soldiers don't like to talk about the people they killed but Kyle loved to. He lied about punching Ventura which leads me to believe he lied about a lot of things he said he did. Kyle was an asshole fuck him and his stupid widow.

abutom
abutom

I was taught never to kick a man when he is down. I lost a lot of fights because they got back up. At least i was cavalier.

This Judas from Minnesota kicks women when they are down. Not only women but widows. He should look in the mirror and dispatch himself doing the world a favor. Leeches and lawyers are identical twins. Any lawyer who would take that case will be in Dante's inferno. I wish that dear widow a rematch . I wish Jesse the rat a reduced award. THIRTY PIECES OF FAKE SILVER WITH A GUTTER VALUE OF $1.39 and an autographed copy of how to be a real American.

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GernBlansten
GernBlansten

MYTH: Kyle was a perfect person and an utterly honest one.

How do we know that? While I agree that Kyle is a war hero and I respect that he tragically died while trying to help out a troubled fellow veteran, let’s not assume that because he is a war hero, he can do no wrong.

Specifically: Whatever happened to the repeated claim that the book’s proceeds would go/had gone to charity, benefiting the families of his fallen friends?

Consider what Kyle’s publisher wrote after his tragic passing: “He dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends” (italics mine). An article in the Blaze definitively proclaimed: “A perfect reflection of his character, Kyle gave all proceeds from his best-selling book American Sniper to the families of soldiers killed in combat” (italics mine). Or this line from a Human Events article: “For American Sniper, Kyle donated the profits from that book to charity.” Kyle himself perpetuated this idea, telling the same proceeds-went-to-charity tale to the Texas News Service and even adding that he regularly received tearful calls and letters of thanks.

And now for the kicker: It isn’t true. Out of the staggering $3 million that American Sniper collected in royalties for Kyle, only $52,000 actually went to the families of fallen servicemen. (Rather than 100 percent of the proceeds, as the public was led to believe, try 2 percent!) While Kyle’s widow claimed, in her testimony, that they never intended to profit from the book, and “wanted” to donate the money to other veterans, she said they were weren’t able to because of — get this! — “gift-tax laws that prevented them from donating more than $13,000 each to two families last year.”

When Ventura’s attorney asked why they did not simply create a nonprofit (standard practice) to be able to give away the money without gift-tax concerns, Kyle said she had not had the time to set up such a nonprofit.

Separately, she noted: “We are trying to find the right places and not just throw it away.”

It’s true that giving money away effectively is more challenging than many people realize. But it’s hard to believe neither of the Kyles was able to sort this problem out: Surely it is quite easy to locate the struggling families of fallen servicemen. And the challenges of setting up a nonprofit don’t excuse the Kyles’ and the publisher’s strongly implying, and allowing others to claim unambiguously, that they were giving all the money away when this was clearly not true.

Why is there no concern for those families of other veterans — many of whom, unlike Kyle’s supposedly destitute widow, probably are struggling financially? Do those families, who were supposed to receive help, not matter?

So what does this all demonstrate, and why should it matter?

For one, Americans are showing a disturbing level of either support or disregard for the legal system — based solely on what they think of the parties involved. That is a dangerous approach. It’s against the fundamentals of justice to decide how you feel about a case based on how much you like the defendant or plaintiff, rather than the facts.

More important, however, it demonstrates a worrisome level of blind hero worship. The idea that, because Kyle served his country bravely and honorably, he was therefore always honorable in all aspects of his life, and can do no wrong, ever, is preposterous. As Pocket Full of Liberty’s editor Skyler Mann wondered: “Not about Chris Kyle in particular but the hullaboo makes me wonder: if a veteran does something super sh**** is it OK because s/he’s a vet?”

A jury, with far more information than we the public have (including the chance to listen to witness testimony and watch Kyle’s deposition), essentially found that Kyle lied. The fact that many conservatives are furiously shaking their heads, refusing to accept this, and taking it even further by attacking Ventura for daring to clear his name is extremely disturbing. Ventura is the jerk for suing to restore his reputation — not Chris Kyle for lying and making an easy target sound like a demon, for the sake of financial gain and publicity.

Got it, that makes perfect sense. We supported George Zimmerman’s defamation lawsuit, but not Jesse Ventura’s. Apparently, it’s not the merits or facts of the case, but rather how likeable the parties are, that determines whom American public opinion supports. Listening to the outrage brigade on social media, big on demagoguery but short on facts, one can conclude that (a) widows can never be sued nor are capable of unjustly profiting and (b) war heroes are perfect in every regard of their lives, forever.

This is blind hero worship, at its most embarrassing.

JeffIorio
JeffIorio

@tonyskala Overall great comment. I would like to suggest that Mr. Ventura by way of his stance on USA conspiracies has left much doubt of his character all on his own. My considrations of Mr. Ventura were well advanced into the negative prior to his lawsuit and subsequent actions. I believe we must consider his actions as a whole when discribing him altogther. 

SocratesMentor
SocratesMentor

@GernBlansten 

Don't confuse Hollywood's bullshit with the man behind the story. Regarding the book income...you have evidently never worked with a book publisher.

Authors usually only get between 3%-8% max on every book sold.  

Almsot always about 3% on your first book with the bullshit that you are new and maybe your book won't sell and they'll be stuck with inventory.


That is based on the wholesale price the publishers sell to the booksellers which is about 30% of the listed book price.


$3million @ 30% = $1million x 3% = $30,000 plus advance of $12k = $52k sounds just about right.


If anything you should be bitching at the publisher for taking advantage.  Chris would have done better to print the book himself, but he probably thought leaving it to the professionals would be better.

abutom
abutom

@GernBlansten AND EVERY WEDNESDAY WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE CHOCOLATE PUDDING. I LOVE FAIRY TALES.

mrspaul
mrspaul

@SocratesMentor After this verdict came out, Sofrep had an article that invited people (civilians included), to sign a petition to remove Jesse Ventura/Janos from the SEAL Association.  I believe Drago may have been involved with this, because the link provided was an email link to his name.  I happily signed the petition...just like I have participated in the fundraising through Forged.


Chris Kyle is a warrior that I will always be grateful for...His wife is an Oregon Girl (like me) and I am Damn proud of her too!!!


You, Sir, are more than a name.  You, along with your brothers, are the heroes of my heart...and...as a civilian...I owe my freedom to you!  I am so grateful!!!



abutom
abutom

@SocratesMentor well said. if this was the knights of the round table jesse would be barred for failing to protect widows and orphans. the two mil is bad money.cursed by his actions. 


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henna7997
henna7997

Mr Ventura has done more to damage his own reputation over the years by opening his mouth than what Chris Kyle's book could have done. With love, Minnesota

nklevens3
nklevens3

@tonyskala Since you served, did you forget about looking at Ventura's track record. Like the CIC today, both brought baggage t the fight. And you hang your thoughts on a jury ? Please; you're smarter than that 1 ? - did ventua ever say 911 was n inside job and say today's troopers , just like many of us, who served, are baby killers in Iraq? He has no class just like the CIC of 2008 to 15

Arkybill
Arkybill

@SeanOneill The two necs were combined in 1983. Ventura was out of the Navy at the time.

ScottHanson
ScottHanson

@SeanOneill Actually, He did.

Both UDT and Seals go through BUD/S 
Want to take a stab at what the "UD" stands for in both BUD/S and UDT?


Doesn't change the fact that he's a total ASSHAT that has earned the ire of all SEALS everywhere for what he's done and become. But yes... he did go through and graduate the training.

As Don Shipley said... during that time when Ventura when through the pipeline it was basically like this.... Upon graduation, they just went down the line and each recruit was alternately told, "You're a SEAL, You're  UDT, You're SEAL, You're UDT..." and so on.
The only thing that changed Ventura from being UDT rather than SEAL was his place in the lineup.



StephenRobinson3
StephenRobinson3

@SeanOneill Wow!! Do people like you just go to blogs and think that what is said on those sites is the gospel truth or do you just not want to believe the guy is a Seal. Lets look at what real seals say about James Janos AKA Jesse Ventura. Brandon Webb, A Navy Seal who doesn't take kindly to Jesse "the Gov" these days, wrote an article on the status of Jesse Ventura being a Seal and he said " The UDT’s and SEALs are essentially one and the same. It’s why the UDT is still part of the training acronym BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL)." (http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/#ixzz3D9Aeevwo). Don Shipley, a Retired Senior Chief (Seal) that bust phony Navy Seals, said that Jesse Ventura is indeed a Seal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeO1DUtnKsE). Just because you don't like the guy, that doesn't give you the right to besmirch his accomplishments. 



HelderWit
HelderWit

@warrren1234567 Yes Kyle was a braggert. I myself did time in Nam and my family knows nothing to this day, we are not supposed to try and gain financially from what we had to do, somewhere Kyle and the bin laden killer lost the memo

ScottHanson
ScottHanson

@warrren1234567
Nice trolling asshole.

Kyle didn't "brag" that's YOUR euphemism.. not reality.
And the incident was not a lie. Ventura had his clock cleaned for mouthing off at the wake of a MoH Fallen SEAL.

And you attack the widow as being "stupid"

You are not even worthy of mention Kyle's name much less badmouthing him.

You have only shown publicly that you are a pathetic asshat.

scandicci1
scandicci1

@GernBlansten I have met SEALs that served in the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are people like the rest of us. Yes, they are trained commandos that are very patriotic and this gives them a mystique. But, like one famous SEAL says himself, 99.9% of the time a SEAL's moral compass is pointing due north; but sometimes they do bad things. Afterall, these guys become SEALs because they get to carry a gun and blow things up. Thank you @GernBlansten for injecting some common sense into what is a completely polarized debate with both sides completely out of touch with reality. Mrs. Kyle is set for life and yet support groups and organizers continue to find resources for her to deal with this awful situation brought on by the 'unscrupulous' Ventura. If someone had lied about me and gained from it while defaming me I would take legal action too. Kyle lost her husband. That is a tragedy. She is not destitute. Soon Clint Eastwood's 'American Sniper' will hit screens with Bradley Cooper playing C. Kyle. How much will Kyle receive from that movie deal?

tonyskala
tonyskala

@JeffIorio @tonyskala

Fair Enough… I actually think Mr. Venture comes across a little better than some folks make him out. I kinda stop paying attention to him and not fully aware of all his positions. But the few times I did either read up or watch him he was way out there. He was basically saying there were unanswered questions or gaping holes and negligence in the government leadership leading up to the attacks on 911. Anything beyond that I am not sure what his positions are. But just cruising the comments you can see his reputation and or character is being attacked. It does hurt his image. An attorney friend explained it to me like this. Your car has a dent on the right fender. You are driving down the road and someone hits that same right fender with their car after they run a red light. So this other person ran a red light and struck your car further denting the fender. The other person who ran the red light struck your car’s right fender is now responsible for the damage to the right fender, even though it was previously damaged.

That being said – lets remain objective about Mr. Kyle. He was a great sailor, a decent guy, that just had a few flaws. That does not detract anything from his service to America and that is something we all can be proud of in site of a few flaws. But if you really want to do this man a good turn. Pass the word on to help or contribute to veterans organizations. I really think one of the first things in a discussion BEFORE we go into any future wars should be, “ HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF THESE GUYS AND GALS WHEN THEY COME BACK” if there is not funding for that, there should not be any funding for the war. I consider it an integral and inseparable portion of the effort to go to war, on the same exact level as procuring weapons and ammunitions.

Not that he is reading , but I hope Mr. Ventura takes the money he will get from this, pays his lawyers, reimburses his expenses and gives the rest to wounded warriors or something. That would be just an over the top class act. Well I am off to smell my rose scented farts and feed my pet unicorn.

abutom
abutom

@SocratesMentor @GernBlansten SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF PUBLISHING. COULD YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY BOOK SPIRIT OF AMERICA PARTY AND GIVE ME SOME ADVICE ON HOW TO MERCHANDISE IT. TOM O'DONNELL

actionman1008
actionman1008

I don't disagree Minnesota butin the brotherhood you don't lie for personal gain.

tonyskala
tonyskala

@nklevens3 - I respect your opinion and you seem like an intelligent person so let’s discuss. Mr. Ventura’s opinions are not exactly in line with my own. But as I did serve it is not my job to discount those opinions based off conjecture. I discount them based of facts. And although I do not believe the US government did not have anything to do with the attacks, I do believe they were grossly negligent in any attempt to prevent them. Your rebuttal and arguments are not against me, but with the house senate committee report pointing out sever lapses in protocol, that might not have contributed to the attack but certainly did nothing to prevent it either.

As for being a baby killer, no. Many serving were honorable in actions there. There were 2 incidents I know of where children were killed in less than legal situations and those soldiers were given trials and have either served or are serving their sentences in Missouri.

And as for Obama, I voted for him, not once but twice. I believed him to be the best candidate running. I had a tremendous amount of hope that he would change things. But in spite of his initial promise he has largely disappointed me.

1.He has failed to close Gitmo. The prisoners that remain need to be charged with a crime or let go. There is no such thing or allowable detention of this duration where someone is not given access to courts and made aware of the charges against them. It does a dis-service to all the men and women who have died defending these rights. It does a dis-service to me and you as we are veterans. I want these people either let go or charged. If they are charged, give them a trial and let them defend themselves. If they are found guilty , pass judgment let them serve whatever their sentence is. If it is death put them to death if it is 20 years make them serve it. At the conclusion of their sentence release them. This is AMERICA and we just don’t hold people for no reason, without charging them.

2.He has targeted Americans overseas for assination. This is his greatest what I consider crime. It is impeachable. We plain and simply do not assinate people. We certainly do assinate Americans. It is against the law.

3.He has allowed the NSA to rule unchecked. His second largest crime. Also impeachable. Our rights to privacy trump nearly everything. It has been violated and he has allowed it to continue.

The worst part is he is a constitutional lawyer. He knows better. The fact he does it anyway makes him far worse than all other sitting presidents.  

normklevens
normklevens

@ScottHanson @SeanOneill Have read books about Adam Brown, Travis Manion, Brandon Looney, Billy Vaughn, Chris Kyle, Marcus Luttrell and Green Berets in Afghanistan in 2002. Ventura may have compared to them once in the 70's but he is a money grubbing fool today and nothing more than an America hating ahole

Norm3
Norm3

@scandicci1 @GernBlansten All of that cannot be argued about. Except that the plaintiff in the lawsuit is one that has a track record of lying, of cheating the truth 911 was an inside job ? The man who fought for America, as a UDT, likes to defame America,himself. And a law suit is not only about money.

SocratesMentor
SocratesMentor

@tonyskala @JeffIorio Well said. In fact there is nothing I can disagree with.  Jesse has done many thing many of us haven't...and some we shouldn't.  That is the human condition and gives us the opportunity for greatness... or failure.


The cloth of who Jesse is, like many of us compel us to strive for greatness in what we choose to do.  


However, many like us have an ego that arrives a half hour before we do.  What pushes us to go through that door KNOWING there is some stupid son of a bitch that's going to try to take us out when we do, yet we do it without hesitation is our training, experience, knowledge and intel and our ego telling us I know what I'm doing and I am not going to let that person get the best of me.  I will out think him, out maneuver him, out shoot him, even if that means retreating, running 360 around the building out of breath just to tap him in the back of the head, twice.


However, back in the 'civilized' world (you gotta love the irony there) these same attitudes, skills and egos don't fly so well.


Jesse made this into a 'tempest in a teapot' where words between two 'men' were just that.  Two men letting their egos get the best of them.

Unfortunately one of them can no longer fend for himself.


When Mr. Kyle with all of his faults and greatness as a human ceased to exist, that is where all of this should have ended.


I am sure Jesse is frustrated because he didn't get to get his, as any of us that missed an opportunity to take a Tango down.  It leaves you wanting that second chance.  But that is ego and that must be released.


Every time I drive by a recruitment center I see the poster "Heroes don't Brag", and the first thing that comes to mind is "BULLSHIT", we love what we do/did!  We are proud of what we do/did! But the best stories we can't talk about.  It is a waste of time to talk to civilians that have not experienced what we have, and my ego isn't so big I need reassurance from anyone, nor do I need to be judged for something I did in the service of our people or humanity by someone that wasn't there, wouldn't understand even with a clue taped to their forehead.


Our silence 'as heroes' is nothing more than those that have accomplished in life, find it boring and laborious and looking forward to the next opportunity to 'do good'.  That is one's best reward...knowing did something B-Z.

What make one most proud when you are the point man and trigger is being recognized by your team, and regardless of who pulled the trigger, your whole team including the boys and girls back at DEVGRU, SDVT, etc. made it possible.


The downside is when we do anything outside of our duties, our titles, ranks and associations follow us too.


Again, this was a thing between two men about something said in a bar.  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!  Jesse, tough guys don't sue woman and children of our fallen.


If as TonySkala said, cover your costs and legal fees and put the rest towards taking care of our own that deserve it and badly need it all will be forgiven and forgotten.


Remember, we are not congress where infighting is sadly expected.

Teams and the brotherhood keeps it together.


We fix what they and others fuck up.

tonyskala
tonyskala

@SocratesMentor @tonyskala @JeffIorio 

I swear this is the last I will post on this. I hope I am not irritating you guys and gals. But I feel compelled because I think some folks on here are commenting using bad information that is just not true mostly because they are polarized 100% for Mr. Ventura, or 100% for Mr. Kyle. I don't like the guy in the post telling me fuck Kyle that is not what this is about.


I am afraid we will just never agree on one of the basic points on this. It is ok, but I really feel you are ignoring some key facts of this case, or situation. But let me try one last time.


First, I don't agree with everything Mr. Ventura states. I don't agree with 50% of it. But that does not mean he is wrong. It does not mean he is right. But it does mean he is entitled to think what he thinks for whatever reason he thinks it. Even it was satisfaction that Suh, and Murphy were killed. But that was not what he said. It is in the disposition that was filed for this case. It was pertaining to the invasion of Iraq. Enough is out there about Mr. Ventura that he has never spoken poorly of service members, but has been extremely critical of the civilian leadership.Mr. Ventura speaking poorly of service members would be so far out of character and a far departure of what he has said of them in the past, no one took that allegation seriously.


Mr. Ventura probably expressed some views of his at MCP about his displeasure on the Iraq war and Mr. Kyle over heard it. But Mr. Kyle never hit Mr. Ventura in the face. It does not even appear they even interacted much beyond a hand shake at the onset of the evening in question this is from the disposition in the case. The owner of MCP actually testified at trial. He is actually a brother of yours.


Mr. Ventura is not suing Mrs. Kyle or her children. Mr. Ventura is suing the estate of Mr. Kyle for a portion of the book sales only. Not any of the money she had, or will get from the movie or whatever else comes of it. Only the proceedes of the book sale can be proportioned by the suite.


The reason Mr. Ventura won that lawsuit is the publisher said in the court that sales of the book increased after the story came out on Opie and Andi, and Mr. Kyle said it was Mr. Ventura he had hit. Which they proved was not true.


But believe me when I tell you, I am not a huge fan of Mr. ventura, but he is not wrong to do this. That book continues to make money for Mr. Kyle estate and it in part comes off of Mr. Ventura's reputation, in spite of how poorly You, me and 50% of the US thinks of him. He had been damaged by the story and Mr. Kyles  estate benifited.


The story is plain and simply not true. There are 2 other stories floating around Mr. Kyle told that are also not true. One about being car jacked and one about Katrina. But do not lament. Mr. Kyle was still freakin bad assed in every respect. Tougher that I will or could ever be in 40 lifetimes. Even in spite of it he still is awesome. It is just he told a story that was not true and attached Mr. Ventura’s name to it. Then sold some books because of the story he told. But so what……. Mr. Ventura gets some money from the book sales. That is it. Kyle is still bad assed no matter what. And by he way Kyle did defend himself. He gave testimony in a deposition. It was used in the hearing.


In closing I just want to restate, NO ONE OF RATIONAL SENSE IS QUESTIONING MR. KYLE's SERVICE AND SACRAFICE. In my opinion it is beyond compare. NO ONE OF RATIONAL SENSE IS QUESTIONING HIS ETHICS , He was a decent man,


I am not sure what Mr. Ventura will do with the money. But I really hope he does give it away to Vets. It would go along way in repairing his reputation.


And as always., please stay safe.


JeffIorio
JeffIorio

@SocratesMentor @tonyskala @JeffIorio Not much I can add there Socrates except to insert a quick thought pertaining to the ego. You obviously understand the ego and how it loves and even needs a platform. That being said the ego runs rampant where the body can no longer perform just duties. Maybe Chris surmised the incidences he described in as much as he truly thought was necessary to circumvent his abilities. He performed above and beyond while in military action yet could no longer rise to the occasion after accepting his life as a civilian and simply conjured situations to somehow let the civilian populace know him for what he did and could still do if given the opportunity. But as I said before the translation will forever be left to the imagination due to his demise. Sadly he did not need to redo what he was already a hero for having done. No one would second guess his ability or his bravo! He is and forever will be an American hero! Jesse is now the one living out his ego in this case, and we know what eventually occurs in these cases. Jesse will learn the way of the superego!

JeffIorio
JeffIorio

@tonyskala @SocratesMentor @JeffIorio Tony, as for me you need say no more! I understood you from the original post. If anyone were to question you after that and or now "they simply don't get it or do not want to"! Take care!